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link to details ofCouncillor Matt DaviesMatt Davies Blogg

From the blogg:

"I also asked the Leader and Deputy Leader of the Council to add their support to the campaign with a letter, as well as emailing all the councillors to ask them to sign the petition.

I know a number of council colleagues have signed the petition and yesterday received this message from the Leader's office:

"The Leader has asked me to inform you that he supports your action on this. Cllr Meehan will be drafting a letter to the new owners reminding them of the historical importance of retaining the Kinks memorabilia in its current form."

So there is plenty of support for the campaign."

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link to details ofCouncillor George MeehanDear Kai Arne Armann

Thank you for your email. 

Further to investigations, there is currently no planning application for this the Clissold Arms, however, you should know that the Clissold Arms is a locally listed building within the Fortis Green Conservation Area, and the building is not statutorily listed.  It is unlikely to become so, as it is not of sufficient architectural merit to warrant statutory listing. In the circumstances, the Council does not, unfortunately, have any control over works carried out to the interior of the Public House, and, therefore, would not be able to use any planning powers to resist a refit.

Yours sincerely

Cllr George Meehan

Leader of Haringey Council

Bill Harrow has contacted member of Haringey Council for Fortis Green Matt Davies on E-mail. 
We got the permison from Bill and Matt to publish his responce here:.
link to details ofCouncillor Matt DaviesResponce 1: 

Thanks very much for the e-mail.

I had just seen news that the Kinks memorabilia might be abandoned and share your concern about that. Unfortunately there is very little that the Council can do on this - if the new owners decide to make material changes to the outside of the building they will have to apply for planning permission of course, but the decor inside is totally in their control.

What I will do though, is write a letter to the pub urging them to maintain the Kinks link and history. Personally, I think even from a business point of view they would be foolish not to take advantage of it.

I will let you know when they respond - it may be that they fully intend to keep the Kinks link and there has been misunderstanding/unnecessary concern over it.

Thanks for getting in touch, best wishes

Matt


p.s. I'm no relation to Ray as it happens!

link to details ofCouncillor Matt DaviesResponce 2: 

No problems. (Bills publishing on the Ray Davies forum) I have sent a letter to the Clissold Arms today asking them to preserve the Kinks heritage and am also going to ask the Leader of the Council to make representations.

We are, of course, only reliant on the owners' goodwill, but hopefully some requests might help encourage them! You may want to write to the pub yourself too.

Best wishes

Matt
 
     
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    Tom Kitts  
  Tom Kitts
Brooklyn, NY
To Whom It May Concern:

I visit England just about every other year.  I always make it a point to stop by the Clissold and sit near the Kinks display.  It is a great tribute to the band that Rolling Stone magazine ranked #5 on its list of Top Ten Rock Bands of the Century (Dec. 16-23, 1999).  It would be very sad if the Clissold does not recognize that the Davies brothers played their first gig there.

I have edited two collections of essays on the Kinks (Living on a Thin Line and a special issue of Popular Music and Society) and I am completing a critical study of the work of Ray Davies, to be published this fall by Routledge.

I ask that the current owners of the Clissold make every effort to preserve the Kinks tribute.  It is very meaningful to Kinks' fans around the world

Sincerely,
Tom Kitts
Brooklyn, NY
 
    Volker Thrun  
  Volker Thrun
Austria
Dear Sirs, Gentlemen and Women,

It is very important for the whole world of rock music, to save  this pub!

I think that everyone is able to recognice my and others opinion!

Please do so and let the pub as it is!

God save the KINKS and their first stage!!!

Best regards,

Volker Thrun
Austria

 
    Olga Ruocco  
  Olga Ruocco
UK
I am very upset that the new licensee wants to disregard the Kinks heritage at The Clissold Arms.  I think that the artefacts might still in fact belong to Konk, and that they should be returned there if they are not wanted.

The Queen Alexandra pub opposite was the pub that Ray and Dave used, as their Dad, Fred, used the Clissold.  They have album covers and musicians' photos on the wall, so the landlord there might be interested in taking the memorabilia.

Mike Kraus, the American fan who set The Kinks wall up in the Clissold Arms, passed away a few years ago, and I think it is important that his heritage is not destroyed.

If the items are auctioned, who will get the money?  The new landlady?

I organise Kinks fans get togethers, the night before the Kinks fanclub gig, and when we were at the Clissold Arms, the Manager, John Dick, was delighted to have us there playing and singing Kinks songs (a free gig!).  When the CAMRA event was planned, he asked me to get some Kinks fans together to make some music.

We now have to try and find local pubs to have a gathering in, ones which don't have the heritage, and don't quite understand what we're about.! 

I also run an Unofficial Kinks Tour, and take fans around the Kinks London haunts, which always involved a meal at The Clissold Arms.  We certainly won't feel welcome in future.

It is a shame that certain people think that The Kinks and good eating don't go together! I also suppose that the back of the pub will be modernised now.  I loved the old fashioned cosiness it had. Such is progress :-(

Olga Ruocco
UK

 
    Dominic Baci  
  Dominic Baci
UK
 


The Kinks connection with the Clissold Arms must be maintained and the memorabilia collection kept intact at the pub. So many pubs in the UK are faceless and characterless these days, simply seen as a means of cramming as many teenagers as possible into as small a space as possible and sell them as much booze as possible before they fall down in the street.

The character of pubs like the Clissold Arms should be preserved, and any establishment lucky enough to have a link with one of the world’s greatest and most influential rock bands should preserve and celebrate that link. Intelligent people will always seek out such establishments for their historical significance.

Dominic Baci
UK
 
 
 

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Wes Gottlock  
  Wes Gottlock
New York, USA

For a country that is so seemingly steeped in the preservation of its wonderful history, I find it shocking that the new owners of the Clissold Arms would simply dismiss the Kinks little corner of history from the Clissold Arms.  I have made the pilgimage to Muswell Hill and the bar twice now as have hundreds of others I am sure.  Not only do I request that the new owners maintain the current memorabilia, I challenge them to enlarge it!  I'm sure Kinks fans all over the world would love to contribute their cherished possessins to be displayed on the hallowed walls.  Perhaps the new owners should listen to and keep replaying a delightful little ditty called "Village Green Preservation Society".


Wes Gottlock
New York, USA
 
 

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Michael  
  Michael
So sad!

I was planning to go to London and visit Clissold Arms this summer. To think that the new owners will destroy the pub and sell all Kinks memorabilia is almost criminal. It´s a historical place in the music history. I really hope that they will change their minds, if not, why do they not sell the pub to someone else that is willing to preserve the historical place. Surely there must me other places where the new owners can open the restaurant that they want.

Michael

 
 

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Greg DiMercurio  
  Greg DiMercurio
Antioch CA

I came all the way from San Francisco to make my pilgrimmage to this historic pub in October 2005...took an hour or more from my hotel in central London just to set foot in the place where the Davies brothers, obviously the most underappreciated rock singer/songwriters in history, started their early performance.  There is plenty of room in that pub to cordon off a small part of Kinks history, or the new owners are complete idiots!

Greg DiMercurio
Antioch CA
 
 

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Michael Precin  
 
Michael Precin
Palatine, Illinois USA

 


One of the highlights of my trip to London was getting a peek at the front room of the Davies' house where Ray and Dave used to play music and then stopping across the street for a bite and a drink at an authentic English Pub. I knew the Kink's history of the place and the memorabilia was a special treat. The next time I am in town I promise I will not stop in at a gastropub stripped of any reference to the historical significance of the Davies' brothers first public gig

Michael Precin
Palatine, Illinois USA

 
 

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Henny S. Stahli, Diemen-Holland

 

Dear Madam/Sir,

I deeply want to express my sad feelings, ever since I heard the `Clissold Arms pub` will be giving a total new destination, without the preservation of the prove what has happened there, the significant importance of the startingpoint of the Kinks. Which eventually led to a CBE award for the leader, singer and writer Ray Davies in 2004. One of the highest awards of The British Empire.

The Clissold Arms is so important to so many people all over the world, who know about the place and visit it on a regular basis. This has got to do with culture of the purest form.

I sincerely hope there is a chance the new owners will honor and respect the past and give the pub the possibility to endure that extra atmosphere that’s been there for more over 4 decades.

No need to say I´m a regular visitor also, even though I live in Holland

Please, reconsider and use this small, but oh so important place in the `Kinkdom` with respect for the days of old. Give it a corner or a wall. That´s all it needs.

Btw, it will bring you profit and prosperity.

Thank you.

Henny S. Stahli

Diemen-Holland

 
 

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